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The point is, craming multiple shooters into a single disc relegates these games as "roms" rather than standalone games that should be appreciated on their own merits. Instead these packages disrespect the games by giving off the impression that they arn't good enough to stand on their own, and must be bundled in with other games of like-kind in order to make someones "already free download" seem remotely worthwhile.

I know quite a few graphic artists who moan about how their work gets ripped. I always point out that had they not had cracked versions of PS, Flash, Maya etc on their computer (total retail circa £10,000), they wouldn't have a job in the first place lol.

So Cool Herders, Feet of Fury etc are on copy protected GD-R discs? What about cracking Mil-cd, was that legal ? Was Bleem! legal ? Pirate discs would never seen the light of day if it wasn't for programmers, hackers, reverse engineers etc getting to grips with our beloved console. But maybe we wouldn't be enjoying the homebrew stuff out there today without them.

Is asking £45 for a game really going to encourage kids to get into legal gaming ? Can most people honestly say they paid for every MP3 on their ipod, have never copied a film onto video or DVD, recorded music onto cd/cassette ? And recently of course the copy-protection for HD-DVD has been cracked.

Microsoft announced the other day how disgusted they were with Google. How Google profiteers by getting advertising revenue on the back of copyrighted material. They also cited Google's acquisition of Youtube as further argument. This is a company who not only provide the operating system for 90% of the world's PCs(and DC!), but also put Internet Explorer as the default Browser on there too. Microsoft are, like most moralists, total hypocrites and control freaks.

I'm playing Devils Advocate really as I haven't a single back-up game, and I do realise the strict illegality of having them. But I also think the law favours the rich and powerful too much. All that back-ups of any kind do is level the playing field just a little.

The myth that back-ups destroyed the DC is one that should not persist. Sega's long term business incompetence killed it. Playstation 1&2 was the most pirated system in gaming history yet also the most successful. Do the math.

Tony Blair, George Bush, Bill Gates, Sega, Artists, programmers,anyone in fact !, can argue all they like about copyright, moralising and staying within the law, but personally I'd rather have a back-up DC disc than blood on my hands.

BTW Where can I download The Flintstones and PBA ? I just love those covers.

Stealing other peoples creative works and passing them off as your own is wrong.

Period.

Your analogy is off the mark. Downloading and using functional technical software in your own home is ENTIRELY different than stealing other peoples creative works and passing it off as your own. The only way your analogy would work is if someone stole the source code for Photoshop or Maya and then wrote a new graphics appliaction based off of the code.

Artists have every right to get angry and complain when hapless amateurs with no creative vision have lift art from other sources to use in some sort of mutated homebrew project. The Dreamcast community is more guilty of this than any other console homebrew community.

To say "without immoral h4x0ring we would have nothing in homebrew" is also incorrect. This type of mindset is what has kept the entire Dreamcast development community in the gutter. If the community would simply grow up and take a more focused look at Dreamcast programming and artistic development then people would be making far more complex and compelling projects.

I don't consider Goat Games to be anything other than official releases. The fact they are on a media unlicensed by Sega is neither here nor there. Kallistios is a work of genius and, bearing in mind Sega weren't going to release Dev Kits and Katana tools to the community, the community developed their own ways of making and selling their games.

Sega could easily made things easier but they chose not to. They could have pioneered and embraced the concept of homebrew coding once they themselves left the Dreamcast scene. They chose not to. Sega Sammy the Pachinko makers.

The various media players, utilities, patches, game engines, vmu goodies for example. Small in scale but not in importance.

Yeah, that piracy stuff is bad. I mean, I have a few backups, I won't lie. I plan on gettting the originals, since people have developed and worked hard for their products. The only two reason to own backups, I believe, are for 1) Owning games that weren't released or 2) Trying before you buy, since almost all stores don't rent Dreamcast games anymore. If you like the game, try it, and than buy it. I agree with jamming all the games on one disc. That ain't cool at all. And besides, if you love your dc, you won't put it through the agony of playing cd-r's all the time. Just like a cig, it's not good for the long term health.

Hey im really interested in the Bass fishing 2.
Was it another game that got finished but never released?

Hey im really interested in the Bass fishing 2.
Was it another game that got finished but never released?
this game is ok but it has one flaw it dont work with the fishing rod controler i forget the reson i think you cant real the line in cuz ther isnt a left and or right trigger buton on the rod and as far a i could see no controler setup suport but bass 1 and marine fishing do work fine with the rod. how ever i should say there may be more than one rod it could be the brand i have ,sorry the issue is with casting you canot cast the line out with the rod i own this sucks cuz the rod is much more fun with the fishing games

gary_b, It appears we have the same fishing rod. I think there are three versions.

Do you know if Bass Fishing 2 is the same as Bass Rush ? All these fishing games. Damned confusing !