Post new topic Reply to topic | Message |
|
||||
about 40 mins into the retronauts podcast on 1up i believe tycho from penny arcade comes on and they talk about how great the dreamcast was. only listened for about ten minutes but there was some quality struff there. as soon as i get home i'm going to listen to the whole thing. you guys should check it out too.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169755 |
||||
_________________ most people suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. |
||||
|
||||
I waited a bit to give others a chance to maybe reply about this before I give it the "nikon" treatment. Since nobody else has replied yet, I decided to just go ahead and post. Though instead of just hanging on the negative points only, I will also give its positives to be fair.
Notable Positives about the broadcast:
ok and here we go... Notable Negatives about the broadcast:
And now for the bombshell quote of the entire thing. I had to type this out verbatim just so you guys could see how braindead they are: Quote:
GUY #1: Another way that Sega kind of lined up its ducks, that we havn't even mentioned, is the NAOMI arcade hardware architecture. The arcade board that was basically a Dreamcast with extra RAM. That supposedly should have made arcade ports super easy, but all it really did was uhh create this sad little trickle of Cave and uh Goo Rev shooters, long after the system was dead. You'd have these limited Prints of Border Down and uh Over Rev or whatever it was called. There'd be like 10,000 copies of the game that would sell out immediatly, and become suddenly super valuable collectors items, but that was the Sega Dreamcast Legacy after its Death, was like this stream of super niche, super hardcore shooters that had been developed on NAOMI and therefore were like no brainer ports over to Dreamcast.
GUY #2: Didn't one just come out recently? GUY #1: Yea, umm, I can't remember which one it was, but yea there was one that came out this year. And you know, every time one these comes out they are like "this is the last Dreamcast game". They said: "Cave and Goo Rev shooters". WHAT?! Cave games are not released on the NAOMI. Plus they probobly couldn't even run on it due to the RAM compression schemes on the NAOMI or Dreamcast. What is a Goo Rev shooter? (cue sarcasm meter) They mean "G" Rev shooter, but making this type of pronounciation error isn't cute or excusable. It is embarrasing and makes the speaker sound like a Class A doofus. It gets worse when in the next sentance they say "Border Down and Over Rev or whatever it was called". Over Rev? I am sorry when was that game released? I sure don't remember any game named... oh wait yea thats right, there is no shooter on the Dreamcast named Over Rev, or one that even comes close to that name. The only guess I would have is that they meant "Under" Defeat, which was developed G."Rev". They flipped Under into the word Over and added Rev to it. Do you see the cryptic dislexia I am having to use to rationalize their thought process?! The thing that really ticked me off was when they said the NAOMI, "supposedly should have made arcade ports super easy, but all it really did was uhh create this sad little trickle of Cave and uh Goo Rev shooters". Each of the shooters released in recent years on the Dreamcast were a unique case of circumstances. A symbiotic relationship between fans and the companies. These developers were able to directly reach their target audience across the entire world. Shooter fans all own Dreamcast's and still play them. Shooter fans still play shooters, because they are active fans of the genre! While not supporting the ability of cross region play right out of the box, imports can be played on the Dreamcast with the help of boot discs. Players all over the world were able to buy and play them with very little difficulty. ALL of the shooter development companies realised this, and knew it all along. This was one of the purest commercial videogame moments in video game history. No press releases, or commercials, or magazine spreads, or jargon chocked marketing ploys. It was the fans, and the developers working together to make NAOMI arcade ports happen on the Dreamcast for as long as they possibly could. The developers were able to keep making the games they loved to make, and we were able to play the games we love to play. This is anything but sad. Also, I am not sure what this guy is talking about by trying to downplay the NAOMI's importance with regards to Dreamcast ports. The NAOMI was one of the most impactful arcade platforms ever. While people love to beat up on the DC as a "failiure", the NAOMI was the PS2 of the Arcade industry. It dominated. Contrary to what the person in the broadcast would lead you to believe, porting from the NAOMI to the Dreamcast was incredibly easy. This allowed over 60 NAOMI arcade games to find their way to the Dreamcast console, with many more games being ported to other game systems following Sega's decision to publish titles across multiple game consoles. Reading stuff like this litterly makes me want to start Hulk Smashing chairs left and right. Why you say? Because these people are covering the video game industry as their PROFESSION! How is it that people with full time jobs in entirely unrelated fields, are able to know more about games than these court jesters? They even are confused about when the last Dreamcast game was released, and think one came out this year. No. The last game to even see a commercial release was Karous in March of 2007. This was well over a year ago! Either their ego's are so big they felt they could just wing it and get by on their random knowledge of the platform, or video game journalism is in such a state of dissrepair that proper research and fact checking is not longer a job requirement in these days of "brogging" and "flogcasting". |
||||
_________________ I'm already numero uno on Dark Helmet's hit list... |
||||
|
||||
These guys aren't super awesome dreamcast fans like us, theyre just games "journalists"...
Games "journalists" find it hard to source articles and news when the information is easily available. I think they might find it a bit more difficult in this sort of situation. |
||||
_________________ Pretty music wot i has made: http://grandcanonicalensemble.bandcamp.com/ |
||||
|
||||
mcmonkey wrote:
super awesome dreamcast fans sounds like a club, reminds me of the über saturn gamers of years ago |
||||
_________________ my dreamcast collection my vids PSO: Mayu Blue Rogues...Attack!!! |
||||
|
||||
I'm fine with the podcast. Shit, I didn't know about half that stuff anyways. | ||||
|
||||
See, that's the problem. If you don't know much and listen to someone who's misinformed, but sound like they know what they're talking about, you'll go around telling all of your shmup fan friends about "goo-rev." | ||||
|
||||
I enjoyed it either way. | ||||
|
||||
Nikon I totally agree if it's their profession they better than hell know about the DC. The Dreamcast is one of the most influential systems ever. Damn idiots. It also pissed me off when Game Informer called the Dreamcast a subpar system with few really delusional fans. | ||||
_________________ "I'll never look back, I've got no regrets 'Cause time doesn't wait for me I choose to go my own way" |
||||
|
||||
Jimyerk2k wrote:
It also pissed me off when Game Informer called the Dreamcast a subpar system with few really delusional fans. Really? That sounds like something some random youtube commenter would say. |
||||
|
||||
After I read that I threw that magazine away. | ||||
_________________ "I'll never look back, I've got no regrets 'Cause time doesn't wait for me I choose to go my own way" |
||||
|
||||
lordnikon wrote:
I waited a bit to give others a chance to maybe reply about this before I give it the "nikon" treatment. Since nobody else has replied yet, I decided to just go ahead and post. Though instead of just hanging on the negative points only, I will also give its positives to be fair. i listened to the long ass podcast and was tired after sitting through it all. so i didn't feel like commenting on it right afterwords. i did catch the VMU mistake they made and some other little annoyances. but i didn't mind them messing a bunch of stuff up. i do feel these people should have had more knowledge of the Dreamcast, after all they are suppose to be professionals. i guess i went into the podcast with low expectations. i did like the part about the guy and his friends playing football online. it made me laugh. |
||||
_________________ VGA is the way to play |
||||
|
||||
im gunna be on a friends podcast tomorrow, watch as I steer the thing into being about the dreamcast... | ||||
_________________ Pretty music wot i has made: http://grandcanonicalensemble.bandcamp.com/ |
||||
|
||||
lordnikon wrote:
I waited a bit to give others a chance to maybe reply about this before I give it the "nikon" treatment. Since nobody else has replied yet, I decided to just go ahead and post. The points you've made are all very valid and I appreciate you taking the time to post them. However, like I posted at Dreamcast-Scene.com I strongly disagree with your statement in regards to HDTVs rendering Dreamcast "virtually unusable". - It is not correct. Via VGA / DVI-A, you can not only play Dreamcast on such a setup, but you can do that in RGBHV with twice the frame rate and twice the vertical resolution than on a regular SDTV. Unlike with any other retro machine there is no deinterlacing required, only upscaling to the LCD's native resolution. The lag many people seem so obsessed about is not noticable - at least on a modern LCD using a recent chipset. I highly doubt that anyone could possibly prefer composite or S-Video over VGA, except maybe if one would enjoy a fuzzy, washed out, wrong colored, flickering picture, perhaps for nostalgic reasons. |
||||
_________________ Ex-DCEvolution.net staff |
||||
|
||||
Christuserloeser wrote:
However, like I posted at Dreamcast-Scene.com I strongly disagree with your statement in regards to HDTVs rendering Dreamcast "virtually unusable". - It is not correct. Via VGA / DVI-A, you can not only play Dreamcast on such a setup, but you can do that in RGBHV with twice the frame rate and twice the vertical resolution than on a regular SDTV. Unlike with any other retro machine there is no deinterlacing required, only upscaling to the LCD's native resolution. The lag many people seem so obsessed about is not noticable - at least on a modern LCD using a recent chipset. I highly doubt that anyone could possibly prefer composite or S-Video over VGA, except maybe if one would enjoy a fuzzy, washed out, wrong colored, flickering picture, perhaps for nostalgic reasons. Yea lets save this for another thread. For right now I want to keep the HD debate discussions to a minimum. I plan to create a new guide about this soon, and then create a topic for feedback where people can post information and such. Then we can focus all of the discussions in a single location, where a decent resource of information exists as a starting off point. --- Also, thanks for posting my comments around about this podcast Christuserloeser. I really felt these were points that people needed to be notified of. When I see such ignorance in the mainstream gaming press it really gets under my skin. These people are speaking to millions and it warps the audiences perception of a console such as the Dreamcast. It was nice to see my thoughts on the matter spread around a bit so people who don't regularly read OC's forums could gain some perspective on the podcast. Last edited by lordnikon on Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:57 am; edited 1 time in total |
||||
_________________ I'm already numero uno on Dark Helmet's hit list... |
||||
|
||||
You're very welcome. I got a few comments on doing newsposts as long as that one, but I felt your points were very valid and needed to be addressed.
lordnikon wrote:
Yea lets save this for another thread. For right now I want to keep the HD debate discussions to a minimum. I plan to create a new guide about this soon, and then create a topic for feedback where people can post information and such. Then we can focus all of the discussions in a single location, where a decent resource of information exists as a starting off point. That's a good idea. I never really got around to sit down and write about my experiences with Dreamcast on HD, and this seems like a good opportunity |
||||
_________________ Ex-DCEvolution.net staff |
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum